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In each 15-minute episode, we dive into the heart of inclusive education, offering expert insights, real-world strategies, and answers to burning questions on how to make every classroom welcoming for all students, PreK-12. From redefining what special education is (and isn’t) to understanding Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) and exploring cutting-edge co-teaching practices, we cover the essential topics that help schools transform.
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ALL EPISODES
Finding the Just Right Challenge: Introducing the Zigzag Equalizer
In this episode, Julie and Kristie take on a question that educators are often asked to justify excluding students with disabilities: “But what will they get out of this class?” Through real-life stories—including a powerful example of Stephanie's success with Romeo and Juliet—they reveal why this question is misguided and provide 20 practical responses to advocate for inclusion
Two Legal Cases That Changed Inclusion Forever
In this episode, Julie and Kristie break down two landmark court cases that have shaped inclusive education: Roncker v. Walter and Endrew F. You'll learn how the Roncker portability test supports bringing services directly into general education settings and how Endrew F. raised the standard for meaningful educational progress. Discover how these legal principles can empower you to advocate for students with disabilities and strengthen inclusive practices in your school.
Why Resource Rooms Aren't Working (And What to Do Instead)
In this episode, Julie and Kristie take a critical look at resource rooms and why they often fall short of supporting students with disabilities. From social isolation to lowered expectations, they discuss the real-world challenges and myths surrounding these segregated supports. You’ll also learn actionable strategies for providing portable, inclusive supports within general education classrooms, promoting both academic success and belonging for all students.
“But, What Will They Get Out of This Class?” – 20 Responses Every Educator Needs to Hear
In this episode, Julie and Kristie take on a question that educators are often asked to justify excluding students with disabilities: “But what will they get out of this class?” Through real-life stories—including a powerful example of Stephanie's success with Romeo and Juliet—they reveal why this question is misguided and provide 20 practical responses to advocate for inclusion.
Beyond Buy-In: Shifting Mindsets to Lead Inclusive Change
In this special episode, three essential mindset shifts every school administrator must make to lead real, lasting inclusive change are shared. You’ll learn why it’s time to move beyond "buy-in," how simple shifts can spark massive results, and how to lead from a place of commitment, not just compliance.
Why Fewer Directions Lead to Better Learning
Overloading students with verbal directions can hold them back. This episode shares a simple formula to reduce auditory overload, foster critical thinking, and encourage autonomy. Learn strategies to lower stress, strengthen relationships, and improve engagement, backed by real-life examples.
Meaningful IEPs: Quality Over Quantity
Writing IEPs can feel overwhelming, but focusing on quality over quantity makes all the difference. This episode introduces the Four Filters framework to identify meaningful, impactful goals that drive progress for students. Avoid common pitfalls, use our litmus test for IEP-worthy goals, and transform your approach to writing IEPs.
Differentiation Secrets Every Teacher Needs to Know
Discover how differentiation transforms classrooms into spaces where all students thrive. This episode dives into strategies to meet diverse needs, build equity, and foster inclusion, including an unforgettable activity to explain fairness. Whether you’re new to teaching or experienced, these tips will help you create a dynamic, equitable classroom.
Language That Lifts: Writing IEPs That Inspire Possibility
The words we use about students shape their futures. This episode explores how to shift from deficit-based language to strength-focused narratives in IEPs and educational reports, empowering students and inspiring possibility. Learn practical strategies like the "Language That Lifts" approach, reframing lead words into gold statements, and why focusing on strengths matters.
Inclusive Grading Solutions: 32 Strategies to Level the Playing Field
Grading can either create barriers or build equity. Julie and Kristie share 32 inclusive grading strategies to ensure fairness for all learners, covering rubrics, assessments, and aligning practices with IDEA requirements.
Why is Inclusive Change so Freaking Hard? The Six Stages of Transformation
Inclusive change is challenging, but understanding the six stages of transformation can make it manageable. Julie and Kristie outline the Inclusive Systems Change Cycle and offer practical strategies to guide educators from resistance to lasting progress.
Yes Brain Leadership: Shifting Mindsets to Build Inclusive Schools
Creating inclusive schools starts with fostering a “yes brain” mindset in educators and leaders. Julie and Kristie share research-based strategies to shift from fear and rigidity to creativity, connection, and adaptability, empowering teams to thrive.
The Five-Minute Fix: Problem-Solving for Inclusive Educators
Facing challenges in education doesn’t have to feel overwhelming. Julie and Kristie introduce the Five-Minute Problem-Solving Strategy, a simple tool for crafting focused questions, brainstorming creative solutions, and celebrating progress—all in record time.
The Training Your Paras Need— And What School Leaders Can Do Today
Paraprofessionals are vital threads in creating inclusive schools, yet they are often the least trained and most undervalued individuals in the system.
Training and retaining paraprofessionals is a critical step for school leaders to foster inclusion without needing extensive resources.
Strategies such as "lifelines" and "32 ways to increase para retention" provide practical solutions that can be implemented immediately.
Fading Paraprofessional Support: Strategies for Success in Inclusive Classrooms
Fading paraprofessional support is essential for fostering student independence and interdependence. In this episode, Julie and Kristie share actionable strategies to help paraprofessionals step back effectively while maintaining student success, with a focus on using tools like the prompting ladder and natural supports.
Why Behavior Charts Fail and What to Do Instead
Behavior charts and other public behavior management tools can damage trust, create fear, and undermine relationships in classrooms. Julie and Kristie discuss why it’s time to replace these outdated systems and share nine practical, inclusive alternatives to support all students
Recognizing and Reducing Stressors: Tools for Teachers and Administrators
Today, we're unpacking the impact of stressors on student behavior and learning. Join us as we explore the four domains of stressors—biological, emotional, cognitive, and social—and reveal how they shape actions in the classroom. We’ll also share 10 strategies to help reduce stressors and support a more inclusive environment.
How to Communicate the Shift to Inclusive Education to Families
In this episode, we tackle a common question: How do we explain to families that moving toward more inclusive educational services isn’t about reducing support, but rather enhancing their child’s experience? We discuss strategies for effectively communicating the benefits of inclusion, grounded in the principles of IDEA and FAPE, and provide 20 talking points to help educators answer families' concerns.
The Educator’s Lifeline: 10 Strategies to Support Challenging Behaviors
In this episode, we explore how educators can navigate challenging behaviors in the classroom using the 'Boat Captain' analogy. We discuss how to support students in moments of fight, flight, freeze, or faint and share 10 lifeline strategies to help bring them back to a ready state. Tune in to learn how to stay anchored and create a safe, inclusive environment for all learners.
Understanding LRE and Its Role in Supporting All Learners
In this episode, we explore how educators can navigate challenging behaviors in the classroom using the 'Boat Captain' analogy. We discuss how to support students in moments of fight, flight, freeze, or faint and share 10 lifeline strategies to help bring them back to a ready state. Tune in to learn how to stay anchored and create a safe, inclusive environment for all learners.
The Recipe for Real Inclusion: 9 Must-Have Ingredients
What does true inclusion in education look like? In this episode, we break down the nine essential ingredients needed to create a genuinely inclusive environment. From redesigning systems to partnering with families, we share actionable insights and strategies to help schools embrace and implement inclusive practices
But inclusion isn't fair to the other students: What to say!
Understand the impact of ableism in education.
Learn compassionate and effective ways to respond.
Equip yourself with language that supports inclusive education
Yes! Even students with VERY complex communication needs, with Darlene Hanson (part 2)
This is the second part of my conversation with Darlene Hanson. It is for the most challenging students in our system. Listen and share with everyone you know who supports students without verbal communication. Darlene Hanson and I are finally teaming up together to work on the concept of inclusion with students with limited communication. Can't wait to let these episodes (episode 27 and 28) take flight in the world.






























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